“But China

This square needs only involve one word – China. Sometimes that’s all there is to it. No appeal, no nothing. Just China.


[DUSTY] We can’t have an effective global solution to Climate Change if the proposal allows China, one of the worst polluting countries with the least environmental regulations, to continue business as usual (source).

[HAWK] If climate change is an existential threat do you support crippling economic sanctions and/or military strikes on China (source)?

[DAVID] Climate is a dead issue. China and India and N Korea brought us all over the line. We need to work on survivability.

[RON] Problem with preventing climate change is that we cant stop the countries that are doing the most damage.

Objections and Replies

(BAU) China is allowed to do business as usual—
Incorrect. China has pledges and targets. One may argue they’re insufficient, however. This may not imply what you make it imply.

(Empire) China can do anything, nobody can stop the empire
Are you praying for a One World Government Force, by any chance?

(Polluters) Start with the biggest polluters first
The computer you are using tells me you consume more energy than the average person on this planet. Also, bear in mind the average American uses three times as much energy as someone in China.

(Small) My country is small and has zero impact—
Every molecule counts. Every effort helps more effort. We are all in this together.


{Deaths} Air pollution from fossil fuel kills millions of people each year. There is an incentive to move away from it besides global warming.

{India} This page also applies to “but India.” Any otter would do.

{Tangible} When facing a claim about ineffective solutions, ask for tangible suggestions to improve our current international pickle.

{Together} There are merits in watching for the alpha, but that does not preclude from being in it all together.


2021-02. Global mortality from outdoor fine particle pollution generated by fossil fuel combustion: Results from GEOS-Chem.

2020-10. Quantifying national responsibility for climate breakdown: an equality-based attribution approach for carbon dioxide emissions in excess of the planetary boundary. DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S2542-5196(20)30196-0

2019-10. Car Talk.

2017? Has China’s coal use peaked? Here’s how to read the tea leaves